"Majority of cyclists are reasonable people and will dismount": Cycling campaign opposes controversial town centre cycle ban which has seen "738 cyclists fined in last few months"

But of course that entire generation was wiped out because they weren't wearing a helmet.

eburtthebike wrote:

But of course that entire generation was wiped out because they weren't wearing a helmet.

Following some recent logic on this site I think we can say "exactly - they're all dead now.  FACT!"

Nah... too many white males, no diversity, women wear scarfs, and imagine the GDP if decades of transportation costs are less than an annual car insurance fee!?

More of this kind of thing!

(I like the fact that even then they understood different modes should get their own infra - there's a special expensive kerb-protected footway for pedestrians.  Also road.cc points for the bikes - they're gone for weight and aero benefits by removing the bar tape, ditching the rear deraillieur and many have smoothed the airflow around the chainring and chain with a fairing.  And presumably a cloth cap saves a few grams compared to a helmet).

"Could never happen here" / "Too expensive" / "Most people just won't cycle" / "Who wants to go back to the past".  Reasonable that - not everyone looks thrilled to be cycling to/from presumably some hard factory job.

They werern't cycling for pleasure when that was taken, but many did in those days. Those bikes were often out and about in the local countryside in the summer evenings and on the weekends. Cycling was a popular hobby at the time as it didn't cost much. Many people went out cycling for the day with a flask and a box of sandwiches in their pannier. No high energy drinks or bars in those days, or fancy kit; just a repair kit and a pump. It was a lot simpler. Bedfordshire is a good place for cycling due to the terrain. A baptist minister I knew loved cycling around there - and got a shock when he moved to Wales! Not so easy down here.

biking59boomer wrote:

No high energy drinks or bars in those days

Au contraire - there was plenty of beer available. Although, OK, it was probably pubs rather than bars.

They're hooligans, that's why.

What's normal about driving a contraption that belches out co2 on what may be a totally unneccessary journey. The majority of UK car journeys are under 5 miles in total and could be walked or cycled. At least this couple are trying to help deal with this problem. 

I am tempted to publish on Youtube "The world's shortest car Journey" I videod a few months ago.  Including the loop around the Coop car park, I measured it to be 100 metres total distance!

Can't recall where I read it but I believe in a case (FWIW) it was declared that if you were stood with feet on the ground (even if "mounted" e.g. sat on bike) you could be regarded as a pedestrian.

I'd say scooting is ... scooting - as in "riding a scooter".  I'd say it was still "riding" and not walking.  You've only got a foot in contact with the ground intermittently and most of the time you are in continuous motion as the bike rolls.  You're not turning the pedals but then you might not be when riding.

Cyclists, scooterists and pedestrians are all vulnerable road users though!

There is a case history somewhere from 30 years or so back in which a cyclist claimed that they were not cycling across a crossing when stopped because they were scooting; the court rejected this on, if I recall correctly, the basis that at any point at which both feet are off the ground then you are cycling as in using the machine to propel yourself forward, the question of whether both feet are on the pedals or your backside on the saddle was held to be irrelevant.

Sounds like the difference between running and walking...so no jogging through the town centre!

ITYM Cranks vs Brooks,it determined wheeling a bike is not riding it, but scooting a bike, even with just 1 foot on a pedal is.

alexuk wrote:

Soon to be stabbed and/or collecting bins for a living.

You're such a lovely troll person, aren't you? Maybe take a minute to think about the people who do collect bins for a living and what happens if they don't and show a bit more respect for those who do that job instead of denigrating it as employment only suited for "feral yobs"?

Community service order. Ask any binman, if its what they want to be doing. Its great that you think so well of people, but ignorance causes more problems than is solves.

I went to an Echo and the Binnymen gig once. Great cover band.

Ned's Atomic Dustbinmen - they had job satisfaction?  Although I guess if their council jobs were outsourced and they ended up working for a private contractor on a reduced wages contract that would change things.

Don't know where they sit in today's energy strategy either - on the one hand nuclear's always being talked up as essential to reach net zero, but on the other, now coal's gone, refuse is being singled out as our next dirtiest energy source. 

Binanarama?  T'was a cruel summer for them

Bin Jovial seemed quite happy with their lot.

They all sound like Garbage to me

That's a bit desperate isn't it?  Asking for evidence?  What's the matter with you, or are you one of those "woke" people I keep hearing about?*

*May be a hint of sarcasm in there somewhere: see if you can spot it.

Similar here in the main shopping street of The Hague. A 3m wide bike lane right through the middle. Also used by emergency services occasionally. There is a pinch point near the entrance to Chinatown where the bike lane and sidewalk just sort of merge on one side (caused by the escalators down to the tram station below). But generally it seems to work OK.