Cannondale 2018: Featuring the new Synapse, Supersix Evo, CAAD 12 and more

check12 wrote:

If I buy a used caad12 on eBay he doesn't get a penny, am I rite?

Yes. He probably gets nothing even on this year's (already imported) models. Anything newly released will be adding to that massive wad he likes to flash around. He's no Donald Trump though, his money is actually his rather than a Russian investor's, so that at least is to his credit!

bendertherobot wrote:

I thought Ashley had just bought Tri UK and not CSG?

Isn't CSG a US company? I'm guessing they'll keep at least US distribution, if not everywhere but the UK. Ashley only has UK rights, so you could still import your own Cannondale without funding that fat, abusive, gambling addicted liar.

Simboid wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

I thought Ashley had just bought Tri UK and not CSG?

Isn't CSG a US company? I'm guessing they'll keep at least US distribution, if not everywhere but the UK. Ashley only has UK rights, so you could still import your own Cannondale without funding that fat, abusive, gambling addicted liar.

CSG were / are are owned by Dorel Industries who are Canadian.

I am not clear whether he bought CSG or Tri UK which were owned by CSG.  I have only seen references to the latter and if so he would not be the UK Distributor?

Scoob_84 wrote:

Granted these are RRP's, but the Supersix's have totally lost their value. Five G's for the cheapest Hi-mod offering. Why haven't they got a mechanical ultegra rim brake version?  I was recently in the market for a £3k bike (insurance payout from stolen bikes), this would have been sufficient for a hi mod only a few years ago. 

Yet a non Hi-Mod Ultegra build for £2K looks pretty good value in comparison. 

Sniffer wrote:

Scoob_84 wrote:

Granted these are RRP's, but the Supersix's have totally lost their value. Five G's for the cheapest Hi-mod offering. Why haven't they got a mechanical ultegra rim brake version?  I was recently in the market for a £3k bike (insurance payout from stolen bikes), this would have been sufficient for a hi mod only a few years ago. 

 

Yet a non Hi-Mod Ultegra build for £2K looks pretty good value in comparison. 

Scoob, change of direction, instead of putting lower end parts on a Hi Mod frameset, we're now putting higher end parts on the carbon frameset. For 2018 you can get a carbon Supersix Evo with Dura Ace and full carbon clinchers for £3699 RRP, a much better package than anything we've offered before.

The carbon fameset is 150-200 grams heavier than the HiMod but still one of the lightest around in its category. 

As Sniffer points out, ultegra mechanical for just over £2K with mavic wheels, you could upgrade to a set of carbon wheels and have change of £3K for this bike with most shops.

Gossa wrote:

Sniffer wrote:

Scoob_84 wrote:

Granted these are RRP's, but the Supersix's have totally lost their value. Five G's for the cheapest Hi-mod offering. Why haven't they got a mechanical ultegra rim brake version?  I was recently in the market for a £3k bike (insurance payout from stolen bikes), this would have been sufficient for a hi mod only a few years ago. 

 

Yet a non Hi-Mod Ultegra build for £2K looks pretty good value in comparison. 

 

Scoob, change of direction, instead of putting lower end parts on a Hi Mod frameset, we're now putting higher end parts on the carbon frameset. For 2018 you can get a carbon Supersix Evo with Dura Ace and full carbon clinchers for £3699 RRP, a much better package than anything we've offered before.

The carbon fameset is 150-200 grams heavier than the HiMod but still one of the lightest around in its category. 

As Sniffer points out, ultegra mechanical for just over £2K with mavic wheels, you could upgrade to a set of carbon wheels and have change of £3K for this bike with most shops.

So the only difference between a hi mod and the standard frame is a bit of weight? Thats not the impression we used to get from marketting and reviews.  What was great about the previous years cheaper hi mod options was that you could get the ultegra version and use whatever carbon clinchers you had at the time, or buy the ones you wanted rathert than the ones that may come with a more expensive offering. 

Scoob_84 wrote:

Gossa wrote:

Sniffer wrote:

Scoob_84 wrote:

Granted these are RRP's, but the Supersix's have totally lost their value. Five G's for the cheapest Hi-mod offering. Why haven't they got a mechanical ultegra rim brake version?  I was recently in the market for a £3k bike (insurance payout from stolen bikes), this would have been sufficient for a hi mod only a few years ago. 

 

Yet a non Hi-Mod Ultegra build for £2K looks pretty good value in comparison. 

 

Scoob, change of direction, instead of putting lower end parts on a Hi Mod frameset, we're now putting higher end parts on the carbon frameset. For 2018 you can get a carbon Supersix Evo with Dura Ace and full carbon clinchers for £3699 RRP, a much better package than anything we've offered before.

The carbon fameset is 150-200 grams heavier than the HiMod but still one of the lightest around in its category. 

As Sniffer points out, ultegra mechanical for just over £2K with mavic wheels, you could upgrade to a set of carbon wheels and have change of £3K for this bike with most shops.

 

So the only difference between a hi mod and the standard frame is a bit of weight? Thats not the impression we used to get from marketting and reviews.  What was great about the previous years cheaper hi mod options was that you could get the ultegra version and use whatever carbon clinchers you had at the time, or buy the ones you wanted rathert than the ones that may come with a more expensive offering. 

Yep, mainly a weight difference. Some people comment that they prefer the 'feel' of a certain model, for example Warren Rossiter of BikeRadar and Cycling Plus fame says he prefers the feel of the carbon Synpase over the Himod but that's his preference based on his experience with the bike. From an engineering perspective weight is the main difference, comfort and stiffness numbers don't change much and there are no 'missing features' on the carbon frame that are found on the Himod.  You can still buy Himod framesets or hunt around the web for deals on 2017 models which have the same frameset as its unchanged. Cheers

Scoob_84 wrote:

 

So the only difference between a hi mod and the standard frame is a bit of weight? Thats not the impression we used to get from marketting and reviews.

It's in their interests to say that. I my experience if you can tell the difference between a Hi Mod and Standard bike with the same spec you're some sort of savant. Like everything else in cycling, the higher end models/options exist only to get extra £££ out of you. They will not make you faster or cycling easier. Not only, but they are more brittle and hence easier to crack the carbon in a crash.

part_robot wrote:

Scoob_84 wrote:

 

So the only difference between a hi mod and the standard frame is a bit of weight? Thats not the impression we used to get from marketting and reviews.

It's in their interests to say that. I my experience if you can tell the difference between a Hi Mod and Standard bike with the same spec you're some sort of savant. Like everything else in cycling, the higher end models/options exist only to get extra £££ out of you. They will not make you faster or cycling easier. Not only, but they are more brittle and hence easier to crack the carbon in a crash.

I agree Robot that most of us 'normal' riders can't feel the subtle differences between a carbon and himod version in the ride quality, but with Synapse the new frameset for a HiMod 56 painted is approx 336grams lighter which most normal riders will benefit from and notice as that is a heck of a saving. 

Robot, Cannondale make bikes at all price points as there are people out there that want to spend a higher budget, you have to cater for everyone. They will make you faster and make your cycling easier, a HiMod Synpase with carbon wheels and electronic gears at 7.3kg is undeniably going to give a faster ride than the Carbon 105 bike at 9.1kg. I guess it's a question pf perspective, if the cheaper bike ticks all the boxes you need then job done!

As an employee of Cannondale, I ride a 2018 Syanpse HiMod with carbon wheels, SRAM Etap and lots of trick parts and the bike comes in under 7kg but I don't own the bike nor have paid any money for it. If I had to buy a bike today with my own money in a shop, i'd buy a Synapse Carbon Ultegra mechanical bike (£2699 rrp) and put fancy wheels in. I'd probably have everything I need for £3.5K, less than half the price of my actual bike for 80% of the performance. 

Scoob_84 wrote:

Granted these are RRP's, but the Supersix's have totally lost their value. Five G's for the cheapest Hi-mod offering. Why haven't they got a mechanical ultegra rim brake version?  I was recently in the market for a £3k bike (insurance payout from stolen bikes), this would have been sufficient for a hi mod only a few years ago. 

A lot of the difference is down to exchange rate. 

nortonpdj wrote:

Scoob_84 wrote:

Granted these are RRP's, but the Supersix's have totally lost their value. Five G's for the cheapest Hi-mod offering. Why haven't they got a mechanical ultegra rim brake version?  I was recently in the market for a £3k bike (insurance payout from stolen bikes), this would have been sufficient for a hi mod only a few years ago. 

 

A lot of the difference is down to exchange rate. 

Norton, if you look at the 2017 to 2018 pricing, they do not reflect the devaluation of the £, we've worked very hard to absorb as much of the costs of FX fluctation to still try and offer great value on Cannondales. You are right, exchange rates have increased the physical costs of getting bikes here but we've cut our cloth accordingly as no brand can afford huge price hikes in the current (very competitive) market conditions.

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

No way!! Oh God! Sounds like Cannondale is about to go the way of Carrera

cyclesteffer wrote:

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

No way!! Oh God! Sounds like Cannondale is about to go the way of Carrera

 

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cyclesteffer wrote:

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

No way!! Oh God! Sounds like Cannondale is about to go the way of Carrera

 

There are a few other brands too which I've forgotten, but look out for anything distributed by TRI Yeovil or TRI UK which he now owns and wants to make into a big cycling retailer.

Simboid wrote:

cyclesteffer wrote:

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

No way!! Oh God! Sounds like Cannondale is about to go the way of Carrera

 

There are a few other brands too which I've forgotten, but look out for anything distributed by TRI Yeovil or TRI UK which he now owns and wants to make into a big cycling retailer.

Tri UK do not import or distribute brands, they are a retailer of brands.

Gossa wrote:

Simboid wrote:

cyclesteffer wrote:

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

No way!! Oh God! Sounds like Cannondale is about to go the way of Carrera

 

There are a few other brands too which I've forgotten, but look out for anything distributed by TRI Yeovil or TRI UK which he now owns and wants to make into a big cycling retailer.

 

Tri UK do not import or distribute brands, they are a retailer of brands.

So CSG (of Poole) are still importing and distributing Cannondale in the UK, and the only link to Mike Ashley is that CSG supply bikes to a retailer (TRI UK) that his company has recently bought?

In other words, if I buy a Cannondale from a different retailer in the UK - Primera for example - it will have nothing to do with TRI UK?

slow_going wrote:

Gossa wrote:

Simboid wrote:

cyclesteffer wrote:

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

No way!! Oh God! Sounds like Cannondale is about to go the way of Carrera

 

There are a few other brands too which I've forgotten, but look out for anything distributed by TRI Yeovil or TRI UK which he now owns and wants to make into a big cycling retailer.

 

Tri UK do not import or distribute brands, they are a retailer of brands.

 

So CSG (of Poole) are still importing and distributing Cannondale in the UK, and the only link to Mike Ashley is that CSG supply bikes to a retailer (TRI UK) that his company has recently bought?

 

In other words, if I buy a Cannondale from a different retailer in the UK - Primera for example - it will have nothing to do with TRI UK?

Tri UK is a 25 year Cannondale retailer which is now owned by a major corporation.  We expect it to retain its values and ethos of the last 25 years.  As example CSGuk is the distributor of Cannondale but was once a family business called Hot Wheels (1982-2009).  CSG was created in 2009 but many of the staff remain as does the culture and soul.  It's the bike industry and its prominence that create change.  Cannondale will continue to be available in the best IBD's and some larger multiple location specialists (thats the best way I can think to describe them!)

slow_going wrote:

Gossa wrote:

Simboid wrote:

cyclesteffer wrote:

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

No way!! Oh God! Sounds like Cannondale is about to go the way of Carrera

 

There are a few other brands too which I've forgotten, but look out for anything distributed by TRI Yeovil or TRI UK which he now owns and wants to make into a big cycling retailer.

 

Tri UK do not import or distribute brands, they are a retailer of brands.

 

So CSG (of Poole) are still importing and distributing Cannondale in the UK, and the only link to Mike Ashley is that CSG supply bikes to a retailer (TRI UK) that his company has recently bought?

 

In other words, if I buy a Cannondale from a different retailer in the UK - Primera for example - it will have nothing to do with TRI UK?

Cycling Sports Group in Poole (CSG) are a wholly owned subsidiary of CSG Global, owned by Dorel Corp. So CSG is the distributor but also the owner of the brands. For example Extra is the distributor for Topeak and Time but they have a distributor contract and contracts can change. We can't 'lose' distribution of Cannondale as we are Cannondale.

If you buy a Cannondale from Primera then Primera and CSG get your money. If you buy a bike from Tri UK then Tri UK and Cannondale get your money. Technically Sports Direct own Tri UK so they will at some point profit from thier profit but Chris and Ali who own Tri UK are still running the business on a daily basis have the same staff on the same contracts and they all have kids to feed and mortagages to pay. Yes MR Ashley has a reputation but I doubt he's even aware that his company acquired Tri UK. Obviously everyone has a choice where they shop, Tri UK's business model remains the same, they've just got more financial backing to expand. Hope this helps clear it up a bit, looks like fake news isn't only an issue for old Donald! LOL!

Simboid wrote:

Sole UK distributor is now Mike Ashley. Make up your own mind but there's so much choice out there I won't buy a Cannondale any time soon.

Completely incorrect information, please see below.