Drivers and their problems

Jogle wrote:

Vandals deface village 20mph speed limit signs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4l3m2q63yo.amp

Jogle wrote:

Anger as road signs cut down in Carmarthenshire village Can anyone explain the logic in this?

Quote:

The council reports seven road signs have been illegally cut down around the village in just one week, causing growing fears for road safety due to the increased risk of traffic accidents.

Bloody jobsworth signs telling everyone what to do it's fake news I didn't vote for them.

BBC wrote:

An 11-year-old boy was found behind the wheel when police pulled over a BMW X5 towing a suspected stolen caravan on the M1.

Actually this sounds like police bullying, the poor lad apparently was actually extra-keen to obey the law:

BBC wrote:

Police said a selection of vehicle registration plates was found when they searched the vehicle.

David9694 wrote:

UK motorists could be banned from parking on pavements

"In 2020, the Government consulted on options to tackle pavement parking, yet no progress has been made."

The Department for Transport said: "This highly important issue is complex and involves many conflicting factors. The Government needs to get this right and is carefully considering the issues before deciding the way forward.

Get fucked is it "complex".  Pavement parking is wrong and it needs to stop - now.  It is no more complex than that. 

https://www.southwalesguardian.co.uk/news/24175241.uk-motorists-banned-p...

It's complex because the public consultation came down strongly in favour of a ban (I suspect) but the Government is like the bad parent of a toddler and lives in fear of the tantrum iof they try to tell those drivers who currently park on the pavement that they have to stop.

Sadly this will not change following their replacement at the next general election, because all parties are terrified of the drivers' tantrums.

Hirsute wrote:

Whilst the mother is milking it to some extent, the comments show the usual motonormativity.

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/24177992.little-girl-drenched-van-cl...

I have never yet seen a motorist slow down to approach a puddle/flood in the road. I'm not sure if they've ever heard of "hydroplaning"…

And you're right about the levels of sympathy shown BTL on that article.  Clearly, they think it's her own fault for not being in a car 

Jogle wrote:

Mystery as unattended car left running for eight hours in Asda car park Putting to one side the environmental impact, if the car had been like that for eight hours, was it really a police matter to come and break in to turn it off? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mystery-unattended-car-l... It's a mystery, it's a mystery! I thought that Toyah would be more interesting than a photo of a car park

Under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, engine idling is an offence. The Highway Code also has a rule against engine idling. Rule 123 states: “You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road.

The Welsh roundabout exit which has cost thousands of drivers half a million pounds in just one year

Two reasons why this is a tax on the stupid....firstly, the road signs are clear both on the main approach to the roundabout and on the turn off itself. Anyone not knowing what the signs mean, should not be driving.

And secondly, anyone who eats at McDonalds thinking its food needs to be taxed more to help pay for the damage their poor health choices are doing to the NHS.

Some of the comments BTL.... blimey. And we share the roads with these people. 

Edited to add....just checked Google maps.... the road lay out has been like that since the first photo they took back in...... 2009!  Almost 15 years ago and they still haven't worked out what the signs mean. Really.....? 

Party of law'n'order, innit.
Or an example of "over zealous enforcement"

The answer to more flooding is to buy a bigger car, which has more emssions, which makes climate change worse, which means more flooding, which means buying an even bigger car ........

Found this on twitter

"I am the biker in this video. Whilst I am glad that the fucking idiot is in prison I was disgusted that he only got 58 months!!!!! "

Somerset Live wrote:

Portishead East councillor Caritas Charles commented: "Our High Street is in a perilous state as it is with no Post Office, the closure of a chemist and others struggling with the cost of living I can see this having a real impact on local businesses. The proposals also call for charging at Kilkenny Fields and the lake grounds by the cricket club.

The Post Office in Portishead - which is not a small town, by any means - was closed last year.  Anyone now wanting to use a Post Office has to go the nearest one, in Pill, four miles away.  And very few of those people use the bus to do so… 

chrisonabike wrote:

BBC wrote:

An 11-year-old boy was found behind the wheel when police pulled over a BMW X5 towing a suspected stolen caravan on the M1.

Actually this sounds like police bullying, the poor lad apparently was actually extra-keen to obey the law:

BBC wrote:

Police said a selection of vehicle registration plates was found when they searched the vehicle.

I read that article and realised I do have a particular racial prejudice, because I was so sure that they'd missed out mentioning that the driver was from the GRT community.

(There's absolutely no evidence for that, of course, and I do feel a bit ashamed of myself...)

brooksby wrote:

 

I have never yet seen a motorist slow down to approach a puddle/flood in the road. I'm not sure if they've ever heard of "hydroplaning"...

Some have not heard of floating either..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3P6d8_Ksbg

hawkinspeter wrote:

Jogle wrote:

Mystery as unattended car left running for eight hours in Asda car park Putting to one side the environmental impact, if the car had been like that for eight hours, was it really a police matter to come and break in to turn it off? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mystery-unattended-car-l... It's a mystery, it's a mystery! I thought that Toyah would be more interesting than a photo of a car park

Under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, engine idling is an offence. The Highway Code also has a rule against engine idling. Rule 123 states: “You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road.

Interesting. But as it was in Asda's car park, that wouldn't apply

Bungle_52 wrote:

The answer to more flooding is to buy a bigger car, which has more emssions, which makes climate change worse, which means more flooding, which means buying an even bigger car ........

One of these, perhaps?

Is this one of those offences where an unduly lenient sentence can be appealed? Maybe tweet him back? I thought this was pretty bloody lenient, especially when I saw some hapless, likely trafficked bloke get five years for tending a cannabis farm. Not exactly a victimless crime but hardly on the same scale of offending as this nutcase driver.

Jogle wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

Jogle wrote:

Mystery as unattended car left running for eight hours in Asda car park Putting to one side the environmental impact, if the car had been like that for eight hours, was it really a police matter to come and break in to turn it off? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mystery-unattended-car-l... It's a mystery, it's a mystery! I thought that Toyah would be more interesting than a photo of a car park

Under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, engine idling is an offence. The Highway Code also has a rule against engine idling. Rule 123 states: “You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road.

Interesting. But as it was in Asda's car park, that wouldn't apply

are you sure? I was under the impression that applied even on your own driveway. There are two statements in that clause

"You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running" [no matter the location]

"or"

"leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road".[even if it is attended]

wycombewheeler wrote:

Jogle wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

Jogle wrote:

Mystery as unattended car left running for eight hours in Asda car park Putting to one side the environmental impact, if the car had been like that for eight hours, was it really a police matter to come and break in to turn it off? https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/mystery-unattended-car-l... It's a mystery, it's a mystery! I thought that Toyah would be more interesting than a photo of a car park

Under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, engine idling is an offence. The Highway Code also has a rule against engine idling. Rule 123 states: “You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road.

Interesting. But as it was in Asda's car park, that wouldn't apply

are you sure? I was under the impression that applied even on your own driveway. There are two statements in that clause

"You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running" [no matter the location]

"or"

"leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road".[even if it is attended]

For some reason a number of websites quote S42, but that doesn't appear to apply https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/42

HC123 says that it comes from The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 98 (which is about stopping the engine to stop noise) & 107 (which would apply if the car park is a road, which is then in RTA1988 S192(1)).

I had thought that private land meant that it wouldn't apply but now I'm very confused.

David9694 wrote:

The DUK-W - Historic vehicle - no road tax, no MoT.

What about a Waterways licence?

Jogle wrote:

For some reason a number of websites quote S42, but that doesn't appear to apply https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/42 HC123 says that it comes from The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 98 (which is about stopping the engine to stop noise) & 107 (which would apply if the car park is a road, which is then in RTA1988 S192(1)). I had thought that private land meant that it wouldn't apply but now I'm very confused.

Yeah, I just copied/pasted that from a cursory search and didn't dig any deeper, but it does appear that you're correct - idling on private land isn't illegal (according to at least a couple of websites).

There are a number of legal terms and defining what the car park is will ultimately define whether a traffic offence has been committed.

The car park, although private land, is open and accessible to the public by motor vehicle, and is defined as a "public space accessible by road". Not sure whether that actually counts as a road in and of itself. Some public car parks (on private land) will be managed by private firms who may apply such rules as a byelaw. This will typically be listed on the car park use T's and C's (singposted at regular intervals)